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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:11 pm 
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okay, i swear i made a topic on this, but i guess i didn't.
it's pretty self-explanitory.
I say no because: quality > quanity

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I can definitely understand why you would think it's a bad idea... but you also have to think how it would benefit in the long run. I'll even make it have purty colors for ya! Okay... here I go...

1) The Less fortunate would get it. Yes I know exactly what your thinking, "They didn't earn the money to be able to afford it so why should they get it?" Or something along those lines. Well for one, you can't assume all poor people are poor because they're lazy and unmotivated. You don't know their situation. But if you still don't care you have to think about the whole picture. They may not have the right to have universal Health care what with their no desire to make it to the top of the food chain... but why should we make the their children suffer? They can't help the fact that their parents are lazy bums. If you don't think the poor adults are deserving of the free Health Care... then think about the poor children (I know how ridiculous that sounds...). They deserve something. Without Universal healthcare, the majority of those kids' ailments tend to go uncared for. I mean unless it's a severe emergency... (ex: car accident) and doctors are obligated to take care of them.
2)Now for the Quality over quantity issue. Not everyone would have to be required to have the same exact insurance policy or whatever. The people who can afford better quality Healthcare most definitely deserve it. So while we do give out free healthcare to everyone, those with more money shall get the better treatment. There the answer to your whole Qualtiy over quantity.

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I say yes to universal health care. Everyone has the right to live. Think of the children.

Canada has universal healthcare and we are kicking overalls.

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I can definitely understand why you would think it's a bad idea... but you also have to think how it would benefit in the long run. I'll even make it have purty colors for ya! Okay... here I go...

1) The Less fortunate would get it. Yes I know exactly what your thinking, "They didn't earn the money to be able to afford it so why should they get it?" Or something along those lines. Well for one, you can't assume all poor people are poor because they're lazy and unmotivated. You don't know their situation. But if you still don't care you have to think about the whole picture. They may not have the right to have universal Health care what with their no desire to make it to the top of the food chain... but why should we make the their children suffer? They can't help the fact that their parents are lazy bums. If you don't think the poor adults are deserving of the free Health Care... then think about the poor children (I know how ridiculous that sounds...). They deserve something. Without Universal healthcare, the majority of those kids' ailments tend to go uncared for. I mean unless it's a severe emergency... (ex: car accident) and doctors are obligated to take care of them.
2)Now for the Quality over quantity issue. Not everyone would have to be required to have the same exact insurance policy or whatever. The people who can afford better quality Healthcare most definitely deserve it. So while we do give out free healthcare to everyone, those with more money shall get the better treatment. There the answer to your whole Qualtiy over quantity.
but you haven't overcome one little factor: how are we suppose to do it? individual states have tried to develop a universal healthcare system but it wasn't successful. I don't see how we can afford to give every single person in the country healthcare. This includes illegal immagrants that come here either with an illness (many illegal immigrants come here with tiberculoses ) or they come and get hurt in e.g. a car crash. They do not have healthcare and we would all have to pay for them.That's one thing Canada
doesn't have....millions of illegals crossing the border

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What is Universal Healthcare? Healthcare for the universe? WHAT ABOUT ALIEN INVADERS FROM PLUTO????? DUM DUM DUM 0_0 no seriously what is it?

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What is Universal Healthcare? Healthcare for the universe? WHAT ABOUT ALIEN INVADERS FROM PLUTO????? DUM DUM DUM 0_0 no seriously what is it?


Universal Health care is when the entire Country/State would have some sort of medical care without having to pay an arm and a leg.

Oh and DWO, I'm not really sure as to how we could go about getting Universal Health Care, but I'm sure there's a way it can be done since many countries are able to do it (Canada as Amph said)... why can't America?

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Works ok for us.

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Works ok for us.


Exactly. If the rest of the world (because let's face it, the majority of the world has it) can figure out a way to get it to work we American's can't be THAT stupid and unable to figure it out. Ok I won't post anything else until DWO responds now...

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my uncle is from Swedan and he hates universal healthcare because of it's poor quality. It may be true that other systems are better than other's but the general statement is that universal healthcare isn't good quality and those statements come from the people with it. The Census Bureau estimates that there are around 47 million people in the US that are uninsured. That may seem like a lot but let me break it down for you. About 9 1/2 million people uninsured are illegal aliens. There are about 8.3 million American citizens that are uninsured but make between 50-75 thousand dollars annually. They are the ones that can easily afford it and instead spend money on other things. 8.74 million Americans that earn above $75,000 per year and again don't spend that moeny on insurance. That leaves us with about 20 million citizens that make less than $50,000 dollars annually. Most of these people may qualify for programs such as Medicare or Medicaid but don't sign up or don't realize they are eligable. The liberal non-profit group, Kaiser Family Foundation, estimates that 8.2 million uninsured Americans earn below $50,000 and don’t qualify for government programs. That means that less than 3% of Americans can't afford health insurance and don't qualify for government programs.The Congressional Budget Office reports that 45 percent of the 8.2 million will be uninsured for four months or less. So really less than 1.5 percent of all American citizens will go without insurance for longer than 4 monthes. In 2004 health care was a 1.79 trillion dollar industry which is about 15.5 percent of the national Gross Demestic Product (sorry for spelling) and is also roughly 1/6 of our nation debt. In 2004 $6,167 per person was spent on health care related costs. Supporters of universal healthcare are ultimately trying to seize a sector of our economy that is 15.5 percent of our GDP. Think about that because less than 1.5 percent of Americans don't have health insurance all the time the supporters are trying to take over 1/7 of America's economy. I really don't want my government to tell me what kind of insurance I want. I want to make that decision by myself. Richi are you sure your system is okay? According to Britain's Department of Health reported in 2006 that at any given time, nearly 900,000 Britons were waiting for admission to National Health Service hospitals, and shortages force the cancellation of more than 50,000 operations each year. In Sweden, the wait for heart surgery can be as long as 25 weeks, and the average wait for hip replacement surgery is more than a year. Many of these individuals suffer chronic pain, and judging by the numbers, some will probably die awaiting treatment.In a 2005 ruling of the Canadian Supreme Court, Chief Justice Beverly McLachlin wrote that "access to a waiting list is not access to healthcare."
Astudy published in the New England Journal of Medicine last year found that, although far too many Americans were not receiving the appropriate standard of care, "health insurance status was largely unrelated to the quality of care."
How would we pay for universal healthcare? Taxes Taxes Taxes. Soem estimates say the government will have to raise income taxes by 20% maybe as high as 40% - 50%.
Well please don't respond tonight because i'm tired and i don't feel like discussing politics tonight (which is very awkward) wiitard! Wiimaster64 come and help me out!

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That's one thing Canada doesn't have....millions of illegals crossing the border


Actually, there have been many documented cases of Americans getting injured or sick who cross the border to take advantage of our (Canada's) free healthcare system. And when they're all healed up, they go home. God bless you wonderful, hipocritical people.

It is so typical that universal healthcare should be denied by the American government because of money. Money, money, money. Money is truly the blood of the American dream. Infact it is the blood of, in this case, life itself; whether or not a person should be given the opportunity to survive and the worth of their life is ranked by how much money they have. It is truly tragic.

F*ck your money. You cannot put a price on somebody's life.

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That's one thing Canada doesn't have....millions of illegals crossing the border


Actually, there have been many documented cases of Americans getting injured or sick who cross the border to take advantage of our (Canada's) free healthcare system. And when they're all healed up, they go home. God bless you wonderful, hipocritical people.

It is so typical that universal healthcare should be denied by the American government because of money. Money, money, money. Money is truly the blood of the American dream. Infact it is the blood of, in this case, life itself; whether or not a person should be given the opportunity to survive and the worth of their life is ranked by how much money they have. It is truly tragic.

F*ck your money. You cannot put a price on somebody's life.
thats why i said MILLIONS of americans

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amphungus wrote:
Wii Triforce Leader wrote:
That's one thing Canada doesn't have....millions of illegals crossing the border


Actually, there have been many documented cases of Americans getting injured or sick who cross the border to take advantage of our (Canada's) free healthcare system. And when they're all healed up, they go home. God bless you wonderful, hipocritical people.

It is so typical that universal healthcare should be denied by the American government because of money. Money, money, money. Money is truly the blood of the American dream. Infact it is the blood of, in this case, life itself; whether or not a person should be given the opportunity to survive and the worth of their life is ranked by how much money they have. It is truly tragic.

F*ck your money. You cannot put a price on somebody's life.


While I do love my country and the ideals it's supposed to stand for I can't help but feel you're right. :cry: It's so ironic that we're called the land of the free...

Note: Sorry DWO I'll post another comment about your thing tomorrow as you asked me to.

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That's one thing Canada doesn't have....millions of illegals crossing the border




It is so typical that universal healthcare should be denied by the American government because of money. Money, money, money. Money is truly the blood of the American dream. Infact it is the blood of, in this case, life itself; whether or not a person should be given the opportunity to survive and the worth of their life is ranked by how much money they have. It is truly tragic.

F*ck your money. You cannot put a price on somebody's life.
i don't know....... if we are about to be in a depression I don't think it's really a wise idea to be spending billions and billions of dollars on this. Then the quality of life is lower because of less money. Unfortunatly there is no way around it. No matter where you go it's money money money. You can't say it's not that way in Canada just because you have universal healthcare. Life's not fair and people just have to get used to that and prepare for a rough time. I know i am. I'm scared that colleges are getting so competitive. I'm scared that unemployment rate is up. I'm scared i'm going to have to pay tons of taxes. I'm scared that i'm going to have to pay tons of bills, and i'm also scared that i might not have a whole lot of money. But it's reality and i just have to do my best. Teachers say I have a bright future (my 8th grade social studies teacher gave me the Social Studies Hall of Fame Award because I could have the potential to be an S.S. teacher)I don't know though... Life's definiatly going to be a bumpy ride.

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Why can't the government run health insurance like they do the mail system? The private sector would be intact, and the government would offer affordable heath care, unlike these big name HMOs that dictate whither or not you would receive care for a broken arm.

It is not fair to say to someone who cannot afford a hospital visit to never get sick.

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I didn't read any of what anybody else said yet.. but my input is, it would cost more money then save.

1.) The tax payers would have to pay more for doctors

2.) It will be harder to get good doctors because the doctors will be paid less.

3.) It will lower the quality of life

4.) This is a form of socialism and all the countries that are socialist proven to fail.

5.) We are the land of the free and every one can earn a living. Like homeless people are like we can't get jobs but they can still hold signs and clean up after construction sites and get their checks from the ymca.

6.) My money will not be going who didn't earn there's I earned mine and I want to spend as I wish, not give it to someone else who will take advantage of the system and get medical pot to fill their needs.


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