What are your thoughts on this?

Music appreciation section?

He's in the right section. A debate on pirated music. Not appreiciating the music he pirates

I rarely do it myself, i use spotify, youtube etc. And buy anything i really like, but being a musician i am passionate about being the minority who's keeping the music industry from crumbling. It isn't as easy or glamorous as people think

You know, Most people DO pirate music.

It happends world wide, most people do it.
Its most commently presse daginst to Game pirating

Its just Sad that most musicans lose money because they dont get people "BUYING" the CD's.

Ah I misunderstood his purpose. Probably due to the lack of body in his argument.

Personally I don't do it. It has always seemed somewhat pointless to me. I use a legal site that costs me nine cents per song.
However where bands make their money is through concerts and novelty items. CD's are their publicity for their concerts. For example Metallica through a big fit about pirated music. I can understand their frustration, but their claims of substantial money loss is ridiculous.

"You know, Most people DO pirate music.
It happends world wide, most people do it.
Its most commently presse daginst to Game pirating
Its just Sad that most musicans lose money because they dont get people "BUYING" the CD's"
"Ah I misunderstood his purpose. Probably due to the lack body in his argument."
Dose it really have to be about misunderstanding anything Freedom?
I might be Noobish and allbut, I DON'T allways act like I uncontroling Noob.
If you want an Arguement, I CAN give you one. "Personally I don't do it." I would disagree, MOST americans DO pirate music, games, ect. You cannot say that YOU dident pirate a song, or a game in your lifetime Freedom, don't think were idiots. You might have even pirated in your sleep, WHO KNOWS? You might have, and were not here to judge, but I have done it once, or twice. "It has always seemed somewhat pointless to me." Really? Pointless? I couldent. "I use a legal site that costs me nine cents per song." I hope its Itunes. But if its not, You my friend, are pirateing music. You BUY the CD, not one song on a site. "CD's are their publicity for their concerts." I agree. "For example: Metallica through a big fit about pirated music" But like there going to do something about it, just through a big fit, and what? What really happens when you through a huge fit over something little. Its pointless, even through if they really DID something about it, they couldent stop people pirating music. "I can understand their frustration, but their claims of substantial money loss is ridiculous." And again, I agree.

I'm sorry but i got about a quarter into that and my head started splitting. The spelling mistakes and bad grammar killed me.
The fact is music is dead in the sense that people are willing to pay to hear it. People have lost respect for the work musicians put into their art. The only place money is at now is merch and gigs.

Well put my Irish friend. I can somewhat understand parts of where you are coming from Whitey, however don't make assumptions about someone you know nothing about. I don't judge anyone who has pirated music, I could care less, but I myself have not done it. I never even owned a computer until I was sixteen when I joined the ROTC program. In the future I wouldn't advise calling one out on a "lie" unless you are certain that is the case. Don't take this as a personal attack. It's certainly not intended to be so. Just throwing out a debating suggestion.

There have been many studies done that show that people who pirate music are the largest pursers of music.

Interesting...

I think the music industry is doing better because people pirate music. How do you think M.I.A, Lily Allen and apparently Soulja Boy all got famous? Through the internet!! And who is going to pay to listen to a song by an artist that doesn't have a record deal yet? So of course piracy plays a major role in their fame. I think piracy has helped the music industry more than it has encumbered it.

i dont see whats so wrong about pirating things. its just music... people switch off cd's all the time and no one ever gets mad at that. so isnt it all the same. and as for those whinney song writters that fuss over this all i got to tell them is so what if you arent getting another million to add to your stash of money that you most likely wont spend...

You just assume well known bands are rich mate, honestly, the music industry isn't like that. It takes a good few albums and a few tours (Of at least 20 well packed gigs) before a band is wealthy enough to be able support musicians families.

An example here is:

Rise against, they had a few albums, eps, did tours and have a stack of merch. They have only recently been able to support themselves through music. Shortly before the sufferer and the witness they announced that they were making enough.

Metallica became rich so quickly because when they were first getting big, the internet was a big evil monster that children couldn't use. So they were getting album sales as well as the merch, gigs etc.

It takes years and years and years before a band can become wealthy enough to be classified as "rich".

Also, people bash on musicians for being rich. Well tbh i'd be quite happy to be making a few thousand each time i went to work. Wouldn't you? People settle for jobs as office workers etc to pay the bills. Why not do something you actually like on the side? Maybe then people wouldn't be so bitter about musicians.

(I'd also like to add here that recording, producing and promoting songs isn't cheap, over here the cheapest amature studio is £125 per song recorded, then theres another £100 for mixing then another £50 for mastering. £275 for one song isn't cheap for unknown bands. Then big bands spend Thousands recording songs. Believe me, alot of the money made, is spent.)

Also Amph, people find the music through sites like last.fm or word of mouth on the streets. People don't just go on the piratebay and look up random names hoping that some bands will appear, of course pirating helps once the words been spread to boost the band whilst also bringing them down.

Musicians don't make that much money, relzer. The musicians get their money from the record labes, as in their contracts, as well as gigs and the like.

The record companies are EVIL, IMAO.



iTunes isn't the only site that has legal downloads. AmazonMP3, walmartmp3, lots of them.

I'm just saying this short and sweet. I think that Pirating Music is wrong, though people do pirate music I'm not going to jugde. I know someone that did that, but it was movies and that person got in trouble. Though they just that person if he does it again and gets caught, he will go to jail. So if people do it then they face the crime, they know its wrong and they do it. So I don't have any feelings to people that do it and get caught. I am just saying that I don't care if they do, but I wont do that 'cause my parents would be very very unhappy. Lets just say that.

Wow I went from trying to keep it short and sweet, and made it a little longer and sweet!!

He can't go to jail if he's just CONSUMING the content. Only if he DISTRIBUTING it.

Piraters get in trouble when they are using things like Kazzaa, BitTorrent or Gnutella (Limewire) because they are UPLOADING at the same time that they are DOWNLOADING.

You can't get in trouble if you are just nabing a MP3 or something else like that that somebody threw on some web server somewhere.

That being said, I do think that it's wrong to rip off money from the record labels (even though they are evil). Stealing is stealing, wither it's beneficial or not.